I recently became the proud owner of a Sparrow 16 “pocket cruiser”, circa 1981 (“QT”, hull #87). I discovered that “QT” had a pedigree, albeit a bit murky. A design by the well-known Herb Stewart, thus kissing cousin to the famous West Wight Potter, sounded like a peachy side benefit to a “craigslist special” starter boat. But the fragmentary information available online didn’t all add up. The following trivia will be of absolutely no interest except perhaps to a few folks who care about somewhat niche-y class of boat.
With some digging, I got the real scoop: the Sparrow 16, built by Northshore Marine, in fact originated as the Melen Marine Guppy 16, and has no connection to HMS or International Marine. And it is not a Herb Stewart design at all! Rather, it was designed by the even more prolific Ron Holder (Holder/Hobie 12/14, Holder/Vagabond 17, Holder 20, etc.). Heretofore I had seen no hint of a Holder connection to the Sparrow family, but I have it from the horses’ mouths: the founder of Northshore Marine, and Ron Holder himself.
The first clue came last week when I made my first-ever boat show visit here in Seattle – my recent purchase used having innoculated me against all the “boat show special” deals on new boats. Chatting with the International Marine rep, he mentioned that a fellow had stopped by the day before and said he was the guy that built the Sparrows up in Bothell, and had some interesting stories. Unfortunately he didn’t remember his name! Web searching didn’t pan out. But I had the wacky idea to test out my local Seattle Library’s research services. 2 days after asking “do you have any records of a Northshore Marine in Bothell circa 1981?” I not only had a DBA name but two possible local matches. This afternoon I finally connected by phone with Chuck Gaylord, original owner of Northshore Marine.
A forthright and cheerful man, Chuck happily dished out a number of revelations. First, according to Chuck, the Melen-built Guppy 13 was an outright rip-off of the Herb Stewart designed Sparrow 12 which Chuck later legitimately licensed from Herb’s HMS, the original builder. The owner of Melen Marine (who had been a close friend of Herb’s) apparently ordered hull #3 of the HMS-built Sparrow/Guppy 12, without windows or cutouts. Then Melen did a “splash off” – industry lingo for an illicit mold, made from a fiberglass boat turned upside down and standing in for the wooden “plug” of an original design. Melen changed just a few cosmetics – moving the mast forward, putting a bit more curve in the keel. According to Chuck, this escalated into a legal dispute, with courts ultimately ruling in favor of Melen.
So by the time Melen wanted a larger boat in the product line, Herb Stewart as designer was definitely not an option. Instead Melen hired Ron Holder, who had already come to some fame with his Vagabond 17, to create what was initially the Guppy 16. Only 4 Guppy 16’s were built before Melen went bankrupt, and Chuck was able to acquire the molds. The renamed Sparrow 16 became Northshore Marine’s best-selling boat, with over 150 sold (vs. about 50 Sparrow 12’s). Chuck sold the business around 1982 to his son, and then it was sold a couple more times. During this time Northshore Marine was also a West Wight Potter dealer, thus the shoal-keel Sparrows complemented the WWP15 and WWP19. According to Chuck both Sparrows (12 and 16) were relatively speedy, able to outsail P19s and even San Juan 21s on occasion.
Some further Sparrow 16 details from Chuck: there is foam flotation built-in to the bow, which unlike the flotation next to the cockpit seats is glassed-in and thus not visible. As a result Sparrows should be unsinkable: Chuck says he repurchased #25 holed and awash with water in its mooring, but it was well afloat with water only barely over the cockpit seats. The integral shoal keel has lead ballast with concrete over it, 350 pounds of ballast (although Ron Holder had spec’d 250 pounds), biased towards the bow to offset weight of crew in the cockpit. 4 layers of fiberglass roving were added to cover and isolate the keelhole, because Chuck had seen a boat nearly sink in the San Juan’s after a keel grounding. In general the Sparrows were significantly hardier (and heavier) than the contemporaneous Potters, which were lightly built, with only 2 mats and a cloth making a hull only 1/8 inch thick, whereas the Sparrow 16 was more like 3/8 inch. The S16 was also all glass, with no balsa or other wood. This is consistent with QT, which after 25 years is still firm on deck and cabin roof.
I had no reason to doubt Chuck’s story and scrutinizing Web photos of Guppy 16s and Sparrow 16s it was evident that they were essentially identical, with only the cosmetic change of the Guppy having 3 small round cabin portholes vs. the Sparrow 16’s two larger oval windows. But I was able to track down current info for Ron Holder, now a high-tech executive in the LED lighting business. He confirmed the essentials of Chuck’s story. Since the Vagabond 17 is round-hulled and very unlike the Sparrow 16, which has the hard chine and high freeboard typical of the Potters, I asked Ron whether there had been a request from Melen for a “family resemblence” to the Stewart-designed Sparrow12/Guppy13. Ron demurred, noting that several of his other designs, including the International 16 and Panther, had been hard-chine and that he had decided on hard chine in order to create a stable shoal-keel configuration (the swing-keel Vagabond which had more inherent keel-length stability, didn’t require the hard chine). Ron noted that he had also designed the Guppy/Sparrow 17, a similar design but with a longer cockpit and minimal cuddy cabin. He remembered some other details about the Sparrow 16, including the relatively small jib which he said was intentional to give it better sailing character.
So that’s it then: a minor bit of sailboat design arcana. I guess a better title would have been “Guppies and Sparrows and … Holders!? (Oh My!)”. Ron expressed some regrets at having been pushed out of boat designing courtesy of a noncompete in conjunction with selling his company to Coleman/Hobie (but doesn’t miss the bondo). Chuck is still a pocket cruiser aficionado, presently refitting an original Herb Stewart-built HMS 18 (later the Potter 19). I hope to run into Chuck in the Gulf Islands this summer.
January 17, 2006 at 4:36 am
Great research! It must have been fun to runn all this down. Congrats and happy sailing.
Bill
January 18, 2006 at 6:34 pm
Bill,
Great info – thanks! I read this with much interest, having a Sparrow in the back yard which I just got sailing this last summer. Mine had no top or cabin, only a small foredeck. I have tried it with two riggings, both of them freestanding. One is a Sunfish lateen setup, and the other is a fairly large sail that rides on an aluminum tube which extends into a windsurfing mast. Both rigs are very satisfactory, and without the cabin, the little gal seems very roomy compared to my Potter 14. ( The balance is very good without a jib.)
My Sparrow originally had a mast identical to the Potter 15’s which went clear to the floor. It had no jib setup.
Again, thanks for the most informative article!
Jim
January 19, 2006 at 9:01 am
Bill.
Great post.
I owned a Holder 17 for quite some time. Great boat. I agree that it was a very different boat from the Holder/Vagabond 14, which I also sailed for a while. It’s great to hear about more boats from a great designer. Thanks!
-greg
January 22, 2006 at 4:55 pm
Bill, Thanks for posting the info, I had planned to go to Bothell last year to do the same search and got waylaid by work. I was setting up a trip for April. Now I’ll have to do something else there. I love my Sparrow (no 44) and sail her in the atlantic. As far as I know I’m the only one on the east cost. Howard
February 11, 2006 at 4:40 pm
I purchased Sparrow 16 # 31 at the Seattle Boat Show in 1979. I picked it up in Bothel on May 1,1979. Used it on the Columbia at Vantage and made many trips the full length of Lake Chelan, the best trip was from Cambell River to Shoal Bay and back. I sold it in 1982 or 83. I would like to find #31 again. The boat was named after my wife “The Sir-lee-I”.
March 3, 2006 at 6:12 am
I bought a sparrow 16, berthed on Lake Union, WA (“Sparrow”) last year for cheap, but still in great condition for a 25 year hull. I motored it up to Lummi Island in the San Jaun’s where it sits on blocks waiting for some TLC to the hull.
I really enjoyed Bill McCoys research on the Sparrow, as I was wondering about this nifty little sailboat I bought. My wife and I plan many cruises around the Islands here, and some adventures north into Canadian waters. My biggest concern is the seaworthyness of this design, as wind and waves can be treacherous in the Rosario and Georgia Straits.
I would love to continue my dialog with other Sparrow 16 lovers via e-mail at LUMMIWATER@NETSCAPE.COM
Hope to get a line from Bill McCoy also.
July 1, 2006 at 12:23 pm
Sparow 16 was the friendliest boat. And I think the safest. My son is a top notch sailer and joined me in Bothel for a test sail. I couldn’t believe the various ways he tried to sink it and failed. He loved it! Took it to Lake Chelan and had some of lifes greatest days with it. A friend provided the name. “The Trollop”. When I moved up to a 26′ American it became “Trollop Too”. Great boats. Great memories. Great days. I sorely miss them. Would like to see more pictures on line. Thanks for those that are.
August 17, 2006 at 7:43 pm
Bill,
Thank you for the history that you found on these boats.
I currently own one of the few Guppy 16’s. This is my first
sailboat and I am learning alot from it. I purchased it very cheap, and I’m giving it much needed TLC. Until I read this
I knew very little about my boat and didn’t expect to find out
what you were able to dig up. Thank You, from a proud Guppy owner.
Carl
March 2, 2007 at 4:29 pm
I would like to know if anyone knows of a Sparrow 16 for sale. I live in Ephrata WA.
Walt
March 20, 2007 at 1:15 pm
Great find, I own a Sparrow 16 and sail on Lake Whatcom. Great fun and a “lakeworthy” boat.
Walt, I will consider selling to move up to a “soundworthy” boat. I have a trailer and motor as well.
Does anybody know how to find the Hull#?
Bill
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September 25, 2008 at 1:03 pm
Hi,
Thanks for posting this history. I love getting to know the back-story for such things. I just purchased my Sparrow 16 (#19) this summer for sailing on the Snake R. and Lake Doeur d’Alene (I’m in Moscow, ID). I also have another neat little PNW boat, a Monty Morton Sea Scooter sailing dinghy. I’m trying to accumulate information on the Sea Scooter. If anyone out there has information on it, let me know at christine_b_1967 at yahoo dot com
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